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| Boomer | | Set |  | | Admin. | | Reg. Date | : | | | Posts | : | 121 | | Location | : | |
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| | Posted : 26 Oct 2009 - 01:48 Post title : Wheel noise (rear). | | | Description: Noise from rear end.
Problem: Noise when moving slowly, normally when coming to a stop. Initially seems like belt drive. It seems to be coming from inside the wheel.
Solution: Solution in this case was to grease the back wheel spacers.
Supplemetary Information: (quoted from mad_angler1's post) "ALSO, just an further bit of info, you can remove the wheel without loosening the belt adjusters, just tap the rotor out with hammer untill it passes the RH adjuster then you can tilt the wheel in and remove the belt, all goes back as it was befor then. "
Contributed by: mad_angler1 on Oct 25 2009.
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| mickey | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 04/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 04 Aug 2010 - 22:52 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: Boomer) | | | Well I'll be dipped. My problem exactly, it sounds like. Kind of like a screechy wheel bearing, but not quite rhythmic enough.
I'll give that a shot. Thanks! I love the interwebs. Remind me to thank Al Gore.
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| mickey | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 04/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 7 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 05 Aug 2010 - 18:48 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: mickey) | | | Yep, fixed it. I didn't remove the wheel and grease the spacers. I just spritzed them with dry film lubricant. (Liquid Wrench brand. Comes in a rattle can. Other brands should be the same thing.)
For those unfamiliar with dry film lubes: They are in a solvent carrier which quickly flashes off, leaving behind a fairly non-sticky and almost invisible film of lube. Doesn't look nasty, like grease, and far less likely to collect dirt. The solvent allows it to penetrate tiny spaces that would usually require disassembly to reach.
I'm sure it won't last as long as grease, but it's quick, easily reapplied as needed and doesn't make a mess.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Mar 2011 - 16:44 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: mickey) | | | Whenever the rear wheel is removed,whether it be for a tire repair,new tire,brakes,whatever,ALWAYS lube those rubber splines.I use never seize as it is also a lubricant.Just don't get carried away.So far,so good.And,no mess. Dave!!!
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| wobblykev | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 12 | | Location | : | Normanton, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 16 Sep 2011 - 15:13 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: davetac1) | | | Ive only just found this forum and I am glad I have!!
I had the front forks and rear pully replaced under warrenty due to corrosion in May this year. Not long after that a squeak started at what sounded like the rear wheel. The longer I rode the bike the louder it got!! Riding a slow city speeds pedestrians would look at me as I rode by it was so loud!!!
I took it back to the dealer they checked it over and said the belt was too tight, I set off for home and within two miles it started again!!!! I went straight back to the dealer, the top pulley bearing stud had snapped!!! they replaced that, I set off for home once again the screaching started again I went back not very happy. They applied silicone grease to the belt?? that cured it for 1000 miles. It started again!!!!!!!!!!!! I took the bike back!!! (it also needed new tyres) when they had the wheels off they checked the pads, bearings, spacers and could find nothing wrong!!
I set off for the 30 mile ride home and five miles from home it started again!! The bike is awsome but this problem is driving me nuts!! I shall try lubing the spacers to see if that helps
Ride safe
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 16 Sep 2011 - 16:29 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: wobblykev) | | | Try squirting a bit of WD40a at the pulley bearing seal.
New tyres at 1000 miles WTF have you been doing.
Oh yes - Hi.
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| wobblykev | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 12 | | Location | : | Normanton, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 16 Sep 2011 - 21:52 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: mat1600) | | | The grease cured the squeak for 1000 miles the tyres were changed at 7500 miles lol
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| zolti | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 16 Sep 2011 - 22:05 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: wobblykev) | | |
wobblykev wrote:
The grease cured the squeak for 1000 miles the tyres were changed at 7500 miles lol |
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hi wobbly
welcome, where are you based?
ps is it your namesakes riding style that gave you 7500 miles 
i could only get 5000 from the rear 
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| wobblykev | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 12 | | Location | : | Normanton, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 17 Sep 2011 - 09:30 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: zolti) | | | Hi Zolti
Im in west yorkshire (just updated my profile) My nick name comes from how I walk not how I ride Im disabled with Cerebral Palsy, hence I walk like I have been kicked in me spuds. I have a quickshifter fitted to my bike because I cant change gear with my foot. the dealer I bought the bike from though that the shifter could be causing the squeak, but it was not.
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 17 Sep 2011 - 10:07 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: wobblykev) | | |
wobblykev wrote:
Hi Zolti
Im in west yorkshire (just updated my profile) My nick name comes from how I walk not how I ride Im disabled with Cerebral Palsy, hence I walk like I have been kicked in me spuds. I have a quickshifter fitted to my bike because I cant change gear with my foot. the dealer I bought the bike from though that the shifter could be causing the squeak, but it was not. |
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Wow - thats dedication for you.
Try the WD. If it stops it there and then and then it comes back you need to get back to the dealer and let them come up with a solution.
This is common. My thoughts are that the rear pulley needle bearing is not up to the job. The more people that complain the better chance of something being done on future models. I would like to get hold of a spare pulley unit to bore out for a bigger meatier 'ball' beraing to prove my point.
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 17 Sep 2011 - 10:45 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: mat1600) | | | well wobbly there are at least a couple of good dates around your area ish
pickering in oct (ok not quite west but close ish )and dent about easter
done three trips westward in july/aug, lakes via hartside, lakes via inglebrough and hawes. thing is its spur of the moment, but any planned always shout it here first.
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| wobblykev | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 16/09/2011 | | Posts | : | 12 | | Location | : | Normanton, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 17 Sep 2011 - 12:27 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: zolti) | | | Im up for any rideouts just let me know, Ive been to the lakes twice this year its a great ride. I was hoping to go upto scotland but Ive not had chance. If we get the indian summer that the weathermen are predicting then I shall go for a couple of days.
I saw on a USA site that there was a problem with the needle bearings, Triumph USA recommended changing them at the 24000 mile service or if the owner wanted them changing they were to charge $30 for the labour.
I seem to have lots of niggling little faults with my t bird, the latest is the chrome flaking off the rocker covers and the back wheel is really pitted. No matter how much time I spend on it
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 18 Sep 2011 - 09:24 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: wobblykev) | | |
wobblykev wrote:
Im up for any rideouts just let me know, Ive been to the lakes twice this year its a great ride. I was hoping to go upto scotland but Ive not had chance. If we get the indian summer that the weathermen are predicting then I shall go for a couple of days.
I saw on a USA site that there was a problem with the needle bearings, Triumph USA recommended changing them at the 24000 mile service or if the owner wanted them changing they were to charge $30 for the labour.
I seem to have lots of niggling little faults with my t bird, the latest is the chrome flaking off the rocker covers and the back wheel is really pitted. No matter how much time I spend on it |
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there was some info from madangler on the needle bearing ages ago when the shhh hit the fan. yes they will not last and we are all waiting for mat to hone out a hub and smack a roller in, but in true british manufacturing fashion this could take a few years
chrome seems to be a hit and miss problem i had no issues with chrome on an early bird but i did buy a chrome shroud for the speedo this year and it took 3 attempts before i got one that wasnt either rusty in the package or had burrs sticking out of it. so maybe they tried a different suplier for their parts.
i left the brake dust on the back wheel after a ride out and i noticed it started to balcken the alu, always wipe it off after a ride out
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| mat1600 | | Thunderbird | | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,596 | | Location | : | Bridlington, Democratic Independant State of Yorkshire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 18 Sep 2011 - 11:09 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: zolti) | | |
zolti wrote:
there was some info from madangler on the needle bearing ages ago when the shhh hit the fan. yes they will not last and we are all waiting for mat to hone out a hub and smack a roller in, but in true british manufacturing fashion this could take a few years
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Bollocks to your 'few years' skit . Actually on the case looking for a cutter for my gear cutting machine to produce a pulley so i can experiment over the winter. If I cant find a cutting tool I shall have to tap a mate up with a Wire machine and have one cut out. Unless of course someone has a spare that is looking for a new home. The ali hub part is a piece of cake so that not a problem. Next time I take the rear wheel out I shall be getting the measurments sorted.
Also looking at making some new wheel adjusters that will fasten on to the swingarm .
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| zolti | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 23/03/2010 | | Posts | : | 3,127 | | Location | : | newcastle , United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 18 Sep 2011 - 16:08 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: mat1600) | | |
mat1600 wrote:
zolti wrote:
there was some info from madangler on the needle bearing ages ago when the shhh hit the fan. yes they will not last and we are all waiting for mat to hone out a hub and smack a roller in, but in true british manufacturing fashion this could take a few years
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Bollocks to your 'few years' skit:
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skit!!
moi???
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| MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,790 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jun 2012 - 17:06 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: wobblykev) | | | Appears to be seal rather than bearing, at least in my case. Packed grease into roller bearing under belt pulley when changing rear tire, went 1700 miles and am convinced the chirp won't be back until/unless contamination does the bearing in.
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| weasel | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 14/02/2012 | | Posts | : | 150 | | Location | : | Thornbury,Bristol, South Gloucestershire, United Kingdom |
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| | Posted : 23 Jun 2012 - 14:02 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: MotorMac) | | | HI All , just got back from a week of touring Scotland , all I can say is go and do it yourself to find out what a fantastic place it is to tour. Anyway I changed my bearing when I had the rear tyre changed in april at 5200 miles, I made sure there was enough grease in the needle bearing and slack on the belt so as to not over stress the bearing , me thinks , ive just done over 8000miles , 1700 of which was last week , and the chirping is back , but what i did notice was the more I gunned the throttle and gears the worse it was , but go throu the gears smoothly and gentle on the throttle there was no chirping , even coming out of some of those fantastic sweeping bends . On the way up we got caught in some real bad weather , i mean it was relentlessly torrential all the way from Bristol to Dumfirmline so maybe this may have had some affect , with water maybe getting passed the seal , dont know , but I would love to find out but unfortunately I dont have a jack to be able to remove the rear wheel and inspect the bearing. Hope this may help towards solving this problem.
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| greenhornet | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 13/01/2012 | | Posts | : | 29 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 24 Mar 2013 - 10:56 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: weasel) | | | I have the same problem squeaking at low speed the storm has done 6300ks .put the bike in for service and told them about the squeaking. they said that it could be the brake dust sticking in the calliper.
rode bike home and guess what, it still squeaks.I have oiled the wheel spacers but no joy.
Im getting fed up with it now.will have to do more investigating.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Mar 2013 - 13:19 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: greenhornet) | | | Just alittle FYI if anyone's interested! On my last three machines,all shaft driven Yamaha Ventures,I used to get this squeaking, growling noise coming from the rear wheel on all three of em, and so did everybody else who owned one.After a while,I finally figured out the problem and passed it along to other Venture owners.
The Yamaha's all used what we call splines in the hub.They're individual rubber bushings,similar to the Tbird's cush drive system.When they got dry,you'd hear these noises which would drive ya nuts.The cure was to clean and lube the splines,and the hub itself where they fit into, every time the wheel was off for tire R+R.
Now I'm not sayin this will cure your problem,but it did on my Tbird.When I pull my rear wheel for tire R+R,which is waaaaaaay too often I always mark the rubber cush drive so it goes back into the wheel hub the exact same way I took it out,[ it wears to a certain pattern] as well as the outer hub[with the big cog] that fits into the cush drive so it too goes back into the rubber the same way I took it out.I clean the wheel hub,the outer hub with the cog on it,and the cush drive itself,then lightly coat only the rubber cush drive with die electric grease before putting it back into the hub.Since I've been doing that,she runs quiet as a church mouse.
Now I may be stupid Polock,but me no dumb Polock. Carry on gentlemen. Dave!!!
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| WookieNH | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 82 | | Location | : | Nashua, NH, United States |
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| | Posted : 24 Mar 2013 - 15:28 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: davetac1) | | | Bearing or belt - I'll let that debate continue. Mine seems to be the belt however.
Word from my dealer is that Triumph has acknowledged a belt squeak on the 2010 and early 2011s. Happens when the belt rubs the edge of the rear sprocket. Apparently there's a new belt that went on later 2011 and 2012.
Price on the new belt - $300 
Or get some dry spray lubricant and hit the side of the belt that rubs. Worked for me at the end of last year. Being only a few miled from Dave, I have the same snow/ice/salt issues and haven't been out this year at all. But I think this will be my course of action until it's time to actually replace the belt. Once a month spray is a hell of a lot cheaper.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Mar 2013 - 00:00 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: WookieNH) | | | I think you guys have about the same amount of snow in Nashua as we do here in Haverhill,atleast that's what the wife tells me.She works in Nashua just off Spit Brook Road. Anyways, I did go out today for a couple hours and really enjoyed the ride as I too haven't been on my scooter for a while.But even if it was nice,I couldn't have ridden it anyways because I blew my frigin knee out, but it's all better now. And other than a little salt dust here and there,the roads aren't bad at all.I only saw two other bikes out this mornin,both HD's.But the roads continue to improve as the sun is working its' magic.  So hang in there as it won't be long before the roads are perfectly clear again and you'll be out there burnin em up. BTW!! Where did you buy your bike.Just curious.I got mine from Great Bay in Hampton.Dave!!!
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| WookieNH | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 82 | | Location | : | Nashua, NH, United States |
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| | Posted : 25 Mar 2013 - 15:18 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: davetac1) | | | I think MA is a little lighter with the salt than the DPW buys here in NH.  But yea, it's getting nicer out and I'm ready to go.
Back when I have my old BMW R80, that was on the road year round. The 'Bird is a little shinier and nicer so I think I'm more careful with the nasty salt spray
I like Great Bay, the guys there seem really cool, and I always stop by when I'm at the coast. I bought mine from SecondWind BMW/Triumph in Merrimack, only about 10 miles from my house. Convenient location, and Darrell (owner) is a great source of information and Eldon (mechanic) is excellent and also always helpful for DIY tips and tricks.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 26 Mar 2013 - 04:15 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: WookieNH) | | | I've only been to Second Wind once and that was awhile ago.I was lookin for Triumph's updated wheel hub,which they knew nothin about.So I explained what it was and about the Service notice that accompanied it.Naturally,they claimed they never heard of it.
Next time ya stop by Great Bay,tell em ya know me.You'll be surprised at just how fast the guns come out. Just tell em Dave with the high mileage Tbird and they'll know exactly who you're talkin about,especially Don,Randy,and Billy.But all kidding a side,they're a great bunch of guys down there,but don't tell em I said that. Dave!!!
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| gdp | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 13/03/2013 | | Posts | : | 136 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 27 Jun 2013 - 18:16 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: mat1600) | | | ....where, exactly, is that seal located?...At thejuncture of pulley and axle? (looking at it from straight down)...
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| phancock | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/10/2012 | | Posts | : | 24 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 14 Nov 2013 - 03:23 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: greenhornet) | | | I had this your belt is too tight
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| MegaWatt | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 19/11/2013 | | Posts | : | 12 | | Location | : | Switzerland |
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| | Posted : 15 Apr 2014 - 11:44 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: phancock) | | | Guys, I see this topic has been around for quite some time. I own my T-Bird now for a year and this bloody noise got immediately on my nerves. A friend who drives an HD recommended to use silicon spray. Fine, that helps for a few hundered kms. The problem is not the bearing or the tension of the belt but the wheel which is not perfectly aligned. This causes the belt to run on one side of the pulley and rubs on the side of it, making this damn noise. The solution is easy (did it on my bike and just on a friends TB this Saturday - no noise whatsoever): remove the right muffler, remove the upper belt cover, slacken the nut of the rear axle, take a laser pointer and hold it onto the pulley pointing forward parallel to the belt. Now you measure the gap between the laser and the belt as close as possible to the pulley and as far away from it, meaning as close as possible to the engine. You should measure both times the same gap (approx. 8 mm). If not your axle is not correctly aligned. Adjust it in pulling it backwards or forwards on one side until the gaps are equal. Check the belt tension: you should be able to twist it by 45°. Then tighten the axle nut and install belt cover and muffler.
Then go for a ride and enjoy the engine sound and forget noise of the belt.
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 15 Apr 2014 - 22:27 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: MegaWatt) | | | No!! That is incorrect as I have finally figured this belt thing out.The noise you hear is actually the teeth on the belt dropping into the cogs at a slight angle [not square like it's supposed to do] and NOT the edge of the belt rubbing on the side of the cog.The problem I still haven't figured out is the "WHY" it loses the alignment after a period of time!!
But somethin I just recently learned about the belt alignment and tension, [ ya want the tension to be on the loose side,no matter what the dealer or the shop manual tells ya] is,with the wheel is off the floor/ground,place a small jack stand under each side of the swingarm as far back as you can get em.Then let the weight of the bike rest on em with the wheel still off the ground/floor.That will place the swing arm at it's highest point so an accurate tension and alignment can now be made. Dave!!!
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| jjc1957 | | Set | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 03/06/2013 | | Posts | : | 165 | | Location | : | Rehoboth, MA, United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Apr 2014 - 00:19 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: davetac1) | | | I had the belt spot on until I put new tires on last year. I took some measurements before I took the rear tire off but when I put it back on it was off. So I took her for a ride a few time and make adjustments until I got it right. It takes a few tries "like 8" to get it right but one think I did find is a quarter turn on the adjustment nuts when you are close to being correct is too much. I did find that spinning the wheel while up on the jack will get you in the area but you need to test ride, adjust, test ride, adjust.... 
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| davetac1 | | Thunderbird | | | Reg. Date | : | 06/09/2010 | | Posts | : | 8,379 | | Location | : | Haverhill, Ma., United States |
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| | Posted : 16 Apr 2014 - 03:40 Post title : Re: Wheel noise (rear). (Re: jjc1957) | | | Been there and done that too many times.After playing with the belt umpteen times over the 3 1/2 years I've owned this thing,lol,I finally started understanding how it worked.Then I got even smarter and spent the 32 bucks for the tool that Triumph sells for this purpose.Now it's a pretty straight forward job to align it. Dave!!!
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